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	<title>Comments on: Guard the Oracle at all costs</title>
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	<description>Tastes so good it sells itself!</description>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
		<link>http://www.pandemicsoul.com/blog/archives/guard-the-oracle-at-all-costs/#comment-35753</link>
		<dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 04:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds to me like you've been reading too much "handsoff" propaganda. 

In an open market, your statements would be right. But access to the internet is not an open market -- it is controlled by a small group of large businesses. i.e.- Verizon, Comcast, and so-on. "Consumer choice" has no bearing here, because the cost of entering this market is too high. 

Compare, for example, with hamburger stands. In such a business, there's no need for the government to regulate where they are located, or who can buy the bigger burgers, and who can buy the smaller burgers, because it's so simple to make burgers. Anyone can open a burger shack with a few grand, and consumers have enough choices to make it a truly free-market. 

In the world of internet access, however, the entire access system is owned by the companies who built and now maintain the backbone and "last-mile" connection to the internet. A very small group of companies own the entire system, from the line in/out of your house, all the way to the fiber-optics that run from one continent to another. There is no way for a new player to enter the market because the cost to do so would be prohibitively high, and would not create any benefit for the new company. Costs would outweigh any potential gain. You'd have to wire the entire country to create access for the population. Then you'd have to build concurrent backbones for the world. 

As such, the large corporations that own the system know that they hold the power in this equation. No one else is going to interrupt their network, and they can effectively charge as much as they want, or "tier" access to the internet in any way they want, because no one can really stop them. 

Thus, government regulation is necessary to prevent corporations from exploiting their advantage and keeping the market fair. 

This is all highly documented and well understood by people who have even an entry-level understanding of economics. Utilities (which the internet, effectively, is) are all regulated by the government to ensure fairness for the consumer. Geographic/political entities (towns, counties, states, etc.) have very specific regulations about how utilities can build and provide service. They may stipulate, for example, that a cable company wire and entire area, instead of only areas that their studies show will yield high profits. Would you argue that such legislation denies consumer choice? Do you really think that the feeble protests of a group of under-served citizens would be enough to bring a utility company in line if they decided that it was in their best interest to do only what is profitable to them? When there is no consumer choice, the free-market falls apart. 

Come back when you've read up on how the free market works. Then we can have a real discussion. Until then, you're just a mouthpiece for corporate interests looking to exploit people like you who have a fear of the government, and a subpar understanding of economics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds to me like you&#8217;ve been reading too much &#8220;handsoff&#8221; propaganda. </p>
<p>In an open market, your statements would be right. But access to the internet is not an open market &#8212; it is controlled by a small group of large businesses. i.e.- Verizon, Comcast, and so-on. &#8220;Consumer choice&#8221; has no bearing here, because the cost of entering this market is too high. </p>
<p>Compare, for example, with hamburger stands. In such a business, there&#8217;s no need for the government to regulate where they are located, or who can buy the bigger burgers, and who can buy the smaller burgers, because it&#8217;s so simple to make burgers. Anyone can open a burger shack with a few grand, and consumers have enough choices to make it a truly free-market. </p>
<p>In the world of internet access, however, the entire access system is owned by the companies who built and now maintain the backbone and &#8220;last-mile&#8221; connection to the internet. A very small group of companies own the entire system, from the line in/out of your house, all the way to the fiber-optics that run from one continent to another. There is no way for a new player to enter the market because the cost to do so would be prohibitively high, and would not create any benefit for the new company. Costs would outweigh any potential gain. You&#8217;d have to wire the entire country to create access for the population. Then you&#8217;d have to build concurrent backbones for the world. </p>
<p>As such, the large corporations that own the system know that they hold the power in this equation. No one else is going to interrupt their network, and they can effectively charge as much as they want, or &#8220;tier&#8221; access to the internet in any way they want, because no one can really stop them. </p>
<p>Thus, government regulation is necessary to prevent corporations from exploiting their advantage and keeping the market fair. </p>
<p>This is all highly documented and well understood by people who have even an entry-level understanding of economics. Utilities (which the internet, effectively, is) are all regulated by the government to ensure fairness for the consumer. Geographic/political entities (towns, counties, states, etc.) have very specific regulations about how utilities can build and provide service. They may stipulate, for example, that a cable company wire and entire area, instead of only areas that their studies show will yield high profits. Would you argue that such legislation denies consumer choice? Do you really think that the feeble protests of a group of under-served citizens would be enough to bring a utility company in line if they decided that it was in their best interest to do only what is profitable to them? When there is no consumer choice, the free-market falls apart. </p>
<p>Come back when you&#8217;ve read up on how the free market works. Then we can have a real discussion. Until then, you&#8217;re just a mouthpiece for corporate interests looking to exploit people like you who have a fear of the government, and a subpar understanding of economics.</p>
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		<title>By: Nconcern</title>
		<link>http://www.pandemicsoul.com/blog/archives/guard-the-oracle-at-all-costs/#comment-35401</link>
		<dc:creator>Nconcern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't like being called a fool for simply stating that I don't believe government regulation is best way to go about things on this issue, and I think the only rhetoric here is the use of tier when that has nothing to do with what I'm talking about at all - you act like I'm arguing for it.   What I do believe is that consumer choice will have a far better effect than any law.   I do believe that without net neutrality regulation we will have better service in the long run and that you should worry more about consumer and protecting their interests instead of looking for someone to attack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t like being called a fool for simply stating that I don&#8217;t believe government regulation is best way to go about things on this issue, and I think the only rhetoric here is the use of tier when that has nothing to do with what I&#8217;m talking about at all - you act like I&#8217;m arguing for it.   What I do believe is that consumer choice will have a far better effect than any law.   I do believe that without net neutrality regulation we will have better service in the long run and that you should worry more about consumer and protecting their interests instead of looking for someone to attack.</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
		<link>http://www.pandemicsoul.com/blog/archives/guard-the-oracle-at-all-costs/#comment-35211</link>
		<dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 04:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You're a fool if you think that the intention of keeping government regulation away from the internet is anything BUT an opportunity to tier the internet. It's all down on paper -- tiering is the stated and announced intention of defeating net neutrality. Don't you get it? No one believes your sorry rhetoric. Give it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re a fool if you think that the intention of keeping government regulation away from the internet is anything BUT an opportunity to tier the internet. It&#8217;s all down on paper &#8212; tiering is the stated and announced intention of defeating net neutrality. Don&#8217;t you get it? No one believes your sorry rhetoric. Give it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Nconcern</title>
		<link>http://www.pandemicsoul.com/blog/archives/guard-the-oracle-at-all-costs/#comment-35210</link>
		<dc:creator>Nconcern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 02:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jordan,
The term net neutrality itself is purely a buzz word intended to elicit a response such as yours by those who wish convince you the world is out to "tier" the internet.  It is a scare tactic that is trying to make uniformed bloggers believe someone is out to get them.  I have my own blog, its not my first, and I wouldn't want there to be a problem with any of them.  I think everyone should be free to express whatever they want on the internet including myself - but I just can't see why Washington regulations are beneficial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jordan,<br />
The term net neutrality itself is purely a buzz word intended to elicit a response such as yours by those who wish convince you the world is out to &#8220;tier&#8221; the internet.  It is a scare tactic that is trying to make uniformed bloggers believe someone is out to get them.  I have my own blog, its not my first, and I wouldn&#8217;t want there to be a problem with any of them.  I think everyone should be free to express whatever they want on the internet including myself - but I just can&#8217;t see why Washington regulations are beneficial.</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
		<link>http://www.pandemicsoul.com/blog/archives/guard-the-oracle-at-all-costs/#comment-34919</link>
		<dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 03:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Handsoff.org is nothing but a sockpuppet for corporate interests, clearly. There is no free-market concern -- the opposite of Net Neutrality is corporate exploitation. Anyone who believes that the last truly democratic medium in this country should be subject to BS corporate "tiering" systems is nothing but a yes-man flunky. Take your veiled propaganda elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Handsoff.org is nothing but a sockpuppet for corporate interests, clearly. There is no free-market concern &#8212; the opposite of Net Neutrality is corporate exploitation. Anyone who believes that the last truly democratic medium in this country should be subject to BS corporate &#8220;tiering&#8221; systems is nothing but a yes-man flunky. Take your veiled propaganda elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Nconcern</title>
		<link>http://www.pandemicsoul.com/blog/archives/guard-the-oracle-at-all-costs/#comment-34918</link>
		<dc:creator>Nconcern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 02:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes the presentation does somewhat detract from the message, in addition to failing to address the free market concerns that many of us have.  Additionally, I take his term of "guarding" the internet to mean he's advocating government regulation which is almost never a good thing either.  I do some work with handsoff.org and I can definitely appreciate his advocating increase education on the issue but it is an issue that doesn't need Congress fiddling with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes the presentation does somewhat detract from the message, in addition to failing to address the free market concerns that many of us have.  Additionally, I take his term of &#8220;guarding&#8221; the internet to mean he&#8217;s advocating government regulation which is almost never a good thing either.  I do some work with handsoff.org and I can definitely appreciate his advocating increase education on the issue but it is an issue that doesn&#8217;t need Congress fiddling with.</p>
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